User talk:Kudu

Cannot create account, great service!
Hi Kudu, I cannot create an account because there is a database error, something to do with your CentralAuth instance. That's a tricky bit, eh? Instead of using CentralAuth on MyWikis, I just shut down the database from editing and merged the users into one central database. I will be sure to join the IRC later, thanks! --JeffTalk 22:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Recent global change
I support the checkuser log, FWIW. D u s t i *Let's talk!* 21:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ditto. John (talk) 15:15, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Quick question
Is there any way to remove system messages on a wiki? I want a custom interface, please. Emilyr25 (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You are able to overwrite them in any way you want, which can allow you have a custom interface but all messages as a whole can not be 'removed' only overwritten. John (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

My thoughts on the extension and feature requisition process
I only know the basics of how to use Git and Github (basically, I know how to download from them and that's it, same as with Subversion). Unfortunately, my attempts to make a pull request for the extension I wanted added to my wiki was an utter failure, and half of the extensions I request I would not be able to pull request to the Orain repository in any case since some are either on Subversion or as code on MediaWiki.org pages.

In short, I don't believe the process for requesting features is all that efficient. Wikia tends be reluctant to add anything they don't extensively test, but if it's available, they will install it as soon as possible. ShoutWiki will install whatever is possible to install, though they tend to be reluctant to install new or unstable extensions. In both cases, whenever they couldn't install certain features, they usually gave good reason for doing so. Also, neither service asked regular users to do pull requests to their repositories, preferring instead to simply have the users submit the names and URLs of the extensions, skins, and so on they wanted to install, then they would get back to said user within a few days at most and inform them whether or not it would be feasible, and if so, the feature would be implemented according to the user's preferences if applicable.

While I'm otherwise pleased with Orain, I consider its feature requisition process discouraging and unfriendly to prospective wiki administrators and believe it should be as user friendly, if not more, than similar service offered by the others I have mentioned. Arcane (talk) 00:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Arcane
 * Hi Arcane, I only suggested that you submit a pull request because you listed a lot of extensions and you wanted to be involved in the staffing aspect. If you prefer that I take care of it for you, that's possible too, but it might get delayed since I'm leaving for vacation in a few days and you requested a lot of extensions. Kudu (talk) 00:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's alright, I can wait. Besides, I can understand the strain of adding so many extensions would cause, and I glad you can help me out with repository side of things (my skills in using that kind of software is terrible), and since I'm still gathering information for my wiki, I can wait for the extensions for now. Until then, thanks for hearing me out concerning my issues with the feature requisition process (and if I was impolite in voicing my concerns, you have my apologies), and while I would like to be a staff member, I'm more a "bug tester" kind of guy than anything else (most of my contributions on MediaWiki.org are me testing extensions, reporting and/or fixing bugs....testing MW stuff is kinda my hobby), but if that position is not needed, I understand. And, one last thing:
 * Have fun on your vacation. :D Arcane (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Arcane
 * We might need bug testers sometime in the future, and we'll definitely ask for your help if we do. Thanks a lot, I'll be sure to have fun! I'm only going to be back in about 2 weeks from now though. Kudu (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Monaco side bar transclusion
I just reverted your change to the Monaco sidebar back to the old version since your transclusion leaves a blank "Navigation" link that leads to nothing (I tried making it redirect to the main page, to no avail). Hope you don't mind.

Still need some extensions installed, but I think a few of my requests were made global changes, so you might want to check if that's the case first.

Also, welcome back :D Arcane (talk) 23:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Arcane
 * Thanks! I installed most of your extensions, except a few that were either very old, are on SVN or aren't in a VCS. They might be able to be installed, but they would require extra diligence. Are any of them essential? Kudu (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I left notes on a few extensions I need explaining the technical reasons, but the ones I left (after removing the ones I considered optional) are because they are extremely conducive to making a site where users can easily create new pages without having to do a lot of work, since most of the extensions I specified allow for the easy creation of page templates and redirects without needing Semantic MediaWiki (which I don't plan to cover on my wiki). Besides, pretty much all of the extensions I specified are quite stable and would be a great asset to Orain as well (particularly if you want to streamline page creation), so you guys might want to consider including them on the Orain repository in some way as well. Arcane (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)Arcane

Elderlords.orain.org help
Hey Kudu, may you add these specific features to my wiki? If possible could the skin be changed to Monobook? But if not, then its ok. But I also have another request,http://hdwallpapercorner.com/gallery/578-old-paper-background.jpg can that be the full wiki background?
 * Hey, I changed the skin to monobook. However, I can't do the wiki background because that requires a skin change. Kudu (talk) 01:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I also disabled WikiEditor on Encyclopedia National and Elder Lords Wiki as requested. Kudu (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Global change I'd like to suggest
Towards the bottom of the linked section on Dusti's talk page, I included a screenshot on some errors that can be seen using the Monaco skin with and without the WikiEditor extension installed, and linked to a page on my wiki detailing how to fix these changes, which I strongly recommend be implemented globally, as at least one display error is present even when WikiEditor is not installed on all wikis using the Monaco skin. I also provide a link to a custom port I have made of Monaco with all of these fixes with some of my own custom changes with a more Vector/Monobook button and bulletpoint scheme, should that be preferred as an alternative.

I also have (and will be adding more as time goes by) some gadgets and user scripts on my wiki that I have extensively tested for compatibility with recent versions of MediaWiki, and even have a few gadgets retooled to work with Monaco that used to only work in Monobook/Vector that you may find of interest, and would be willing to attempt converting requested gadgets/user scripts to work with Monaco if need be, since many gadgets are designed with Monobook/Vector in mind.

Arcane (talk) 09:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)Arcane

Apparent advertisement
Please do not change my comment on Forum:Would like to submit a proposed Orain logo footer button, this is censorship and Dusti has said that Orain supports freedom of speech. I was simply referring to my way; I'm not trying to advertise from Orain. I appreciate your anti-spam efforts, but please do not edit anybody's comments unless it is clearly spam that has nothing to do with the page. Thanks. --Jeff (talk) (contribs) 16:45, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved from User talk:Yena. Wording may like to be reconsidered. John (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeff. You're correct, we do support freedom of speech; however this is not wikifarms.orain.org or another impartial site, it's meta.orain.org, therefore we feel that it's fair to remove this kind of comment, which I interpreted as more of an advertisement than a recommendation. I suggest you change it to something like "I think Orain should have a footer icon on every wiki, but remove it on request." if that's what you intended. Kudu (talk) 17:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed it again, please leave it removed. I have discussed it with a few other users and it seems that it would be best to leave it removed. -- Joe G. (Talk) 23:18, 26 October 2013 (UTC)